老外坦白Tienamen, Tibet, Olympics和中国政府问题了……

引用: 原帖由 404kun 于 2009-6-10 10:31 发表 看主楼的意思好像是在指导别人到中国论坛之后该怎么说话。。。 莫非要发生逆袭事件了？去别处抛点消息看看

引用: 原帖由 曰耳又 于 2009-6-9 17:04 发表 不过这篇文章的观点不能代表所有“老外”的观点。一看就是个人博客上登出的

引用: 原帖由 xiahua 于 2009-6-9 15:52 发表 昨天你就在Twitter发了，我还RT了呢。 很有创意，坐看好戏。

引用: 原帖由 xiahua 于 2009-6-9 15:49 发表 嗯哼

不是我写的。来源需要保密，所以就暂停不贴URL了 引用: What to know before posting Don't be a stupid Westerner. Some of the things Westerners criticize China for are right, and some of them are completely, utterly, ridiculously wrong. You're going to look like an idiot if you bring up one of the latter things. Tiananmen You should probably know what Tiananmen is. Tiananmen Square is a tourist attraction. It's a wide open area with tourist attractions on each of the four sides. On one of those sides is the Tiananmen itself. This is a gate with a picture of Mao on it, and some propaganda on both sides. The protests happened on the square, not at the gate. During the day, the square is usually packed with tourists (which is what makes it a decent protest site). Important government announcements, marches, etc generally happen here, and it's pretty heavily affiliated with government action (also what makes it a decent protest site). The point of all this is, if you mention "Tiananmen Square", people are going to think "tourist attraction" not "site of protest in the late 80s". Many Chinese don't know that protests occurred at Tiananmen Square. This might just be because schools don't consider it important enough (Remember: something like half of America can't even find Iraq on a map). China has a long history - classes on Chinese history are going to be talking more about stuff that happened 4000 years ago than what happened now. Either way, it's pointless to criticize the Chinese for not knowing about the protests. Focus on what happened, not on why people don't know. Tibet Tibet isn't some poor little country that got invaded by Commies. It's been part of China for much of China's history, and although China left it alone for a while, they retook it during the reunification after the civil war. So you can think of China's taking back Tibet (and its intents to take back Taiwan, for that matter) as roughly analogous to Lincoln taking back the South. Furthermore, the government didn't do all bad in Tibet. When the Commies retook it, they abolished slavery there, and many Tibetans supported the Commies. The Dalai Lama isn't exiled in the sense that he was forced out - he left of his own will, when his plans to overthrow the Commie government failed miserably. The Olympics Don't even think about mentioning the Olympics. It's a source of great national pride and accomplishment that China hosted the 2008 Olympics, and did a pretty good job in it. They're also proud of how well the Opening Ceremony expresses Chinese values, beliefs, etc. And yes, they already know that the gymnasts were probably underage. It's not exactly the first time the government has lied. Hardly the worst thing the government's done. Focus on the human rights issues, guys. Ditto nitpicking anything else even vaguely related to the Olympics. Government corruption The Chinese know that their government is corrupt. They complain about it all the time, kind of like how Americans complain about pork-barrel spending, the war in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, security theater, etc, etc. They're less open about it in public, because of the government, but consensus is that the government is pretty corrupt. Just because there is consensus that the government is bad does not mean you can just attack them as outsiders. It's kind of like how you're probably not too satisfied with what Bush was doing, but if Middle Easterners are all like "DEATH TO AMERICA", you're probably going to be like "HELL NO." Make it clear that you're not attacking their country, you're criticizing their government and their government's actions. Government censorship People know that the government censors things, too. This is also one of the "hard not to notice" things. When talking about censorship of websites, people often use the euphemism "down for maintenance" - as in, "Hey, YouTube is down for maintenance again." "Oh, that's the government, hard at work maintaining websites for the 'benefit' of us comrades!" Wikipedia and Google used to be blocked, but no longer are. YouTube is currently temporarily blocked. I don't know of any other high-profile sites that are blocked. Getting a website blocked is pretty simple. I've gotten one of my own servers blocked for setting up a proxy to browse Wikipedia with it (this was when I was little, Wikipedia was blocked, and I had no idea how to encrypt a proxy).